Thursday, May 22, 2008

Chronicle Column Damages NCCU/Duke Relations


Its days like this that make me regret having earned a master’s degree at Duke University. It has been hard enough having to explain why I never attended a historical black college or University. Black people in the South take great pride in the HBCU tradition. They should. Those schools enrolled and graduated people like me long before the Duke’s of the world considered the possibility that black people can do more than serve whites folks on campus.
For many, attending Duke is paramount to treason. Names like Uncle Tom, sell out and Oreo are common slurs used to define me for having chosen to get a degree at Duke. I remember the looks on the faces of the locals when I informed them I attended school at Duke. It didn’t take long for me to learn there is a long, not so pleasant history that has crippled race relations in Durham.
Students on Duke’s campus were considered snobbish and the product of white privilege out of control. I did my best to curtail the hatred black residents felt about Duke. They were quick to remind me that “those people” think they are better than us. No, that’s not true, I would argue. Now, after reading Kristin Butler’s column in the Chronicle, I feel like stuffing my head in the sand.
Butler’s column “Summa cum looney” attacked North Carolina Central University for granting degrees to Solomon Burnette and Crystal Mangum. Burnette, the son of a former Durham City Council member, served a 13-month prison sentence for robbing two Duke students in 1997. Butler chided Burnette for writing a nasty column in the NCCU student newspaper that had revolutionary undertones. Go get them Dukies. We certainly can’t have that.
Shame on NCCU for allowing this fool to get a degree, and how dare NCCU allows him to write in the student newspaper. That’s bad enough to cast a few stones over on Fayetteville Street. The coloreds over there lack good judgment, but wait it gets worse. How could they, oh no they didn’t grant Crystal “the lying, stank stripper” a degree.
They should know better than grant her the chance to pull her life together after attacking a few good white boys on the lacrosse team. Can you hear the arrogance in her words, the disdain, and the disgust? Don’t take my word for it, read what she wrote.
“Because of the university's blatant refusal to enforce its own rules, I will never again take an NCCU degree seriously, and neither should any other self-respecting Dukie. NCCU's "seal of approval" no longer guarantees good character, and it's just too hard to tell the thugs and liars (like Burnette and Mangum) apart from the high-performing majority.”
What ever happened to giving a person another chance? Isn’t that what members of the lacrosse team got after violating rules related to off campus drinking on more than one occasion? Should they hold some responsibility for hiring two exotic dancers to shake their groove thang?
The problem with Butler’s column is the double standard lurking in each word. It’s okay to get drunk, use a few racial slurs, urinate in your neighbor’s yard, consistently violate campus policies on off campus drinking and still attend class and get that degree if you attend school at Duke. Why, because we’re Duke dammit.
Black folks need not apply for the same privileges. You have not earned your right to break rules and to be treated as the victim despite your contribution to the mess. Burnette should be punished because HE ROBBED TWO DUKE STUDENTS. The nerve of him to think he can get away with that, and assume a normal life. The administration at NCCU should punish him for making that assumption. Can you hear the underlying white privilege yet?
This is why people worried after the story of an alleged rape hit the airwaves. It’s because of a long history of abuse and neglect coupled with an air of privilege among those kids who go to school at Duke. They think they’re better than the black folks who live in the city. They refuse to accept the thought of a person getting a second chance after a mistake is made.
Get this Ms. Butler. NCCU is a great school. They don’t hand out degrees. People earn them. Both Burnette and Mangum deserve those degrees. The fact that they brought harm to the fine students hiding behind the trees at Duke doesn’t negate their right to make lemonade out of those lemons.

34 comments:

  1. .... the devil does not believe in forgiveness and his spirit continues to roam. Pray for the writer of the Duke column.

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  2. steve bumgardnerMay 22, 2008 at 10:06 PM

    Preach on Brother Preach on.

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  3. Carl, thank you for bringing light to this. I have many times observed my white, middle to upper-middle class friends and colleagues dismiss the delinquency of their teenage or young adult children to youthful foolishness while bearing down hard on the same crimes committed by people of color. I have seen these parents negotiate on behalf of their children to get charges either dropped or not pressed. The self-righteous, no,that would be "self-whiteous," judgmental attitudes reflected in Butler's column are embarrassingly unpatriotic and unjust.

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  4. Great column, Carl. As a Duke alum and a Duke employees, I was horrified to read that article in the Chronicle. One of the worst things about it, in my opinion, is that is uses a very broad brush to paint every NCCU student on the basis of two cases (two cases which are more complex than your simplistic analysis allows for, Ms. Butler). My daughter is an NCCU junior and works every bit as hard in school as I do, with faculty members who are stellar. Her degree will be worth as much as mine, when she is done.

    I am afraid that this column in the Chronicle will set back college and community relations a decade.

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  5. Didn't Duke give Nixon a degree? That just seems a whole lot worse.

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  6. With the lacrosse case Black America now has perpetrated its own version of Scottsboro; just the colors have been reversed.

    The same attitudes, closed minds, stereotypes, and racial solidarity
    were copied almost word for word. (If you don't believe it, read up on the Scottsboro case.)

    Now we have learned that people really are all alike under the skin; and that any group can be just as racially polarized in their outlook as another.

    Unfortunately, that's not progress.

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  7. I guess I can assume you do not see anything wrong with the judgments you face for having attended Duke.

    I flash back to a scene in Fresh Prince of Bel-Air when Uncle Phil laments, to the effect, "When are we going to stop doing this to ourselves." I guess the answer is, never. A few get it but obviously far too many don't. What a waste.

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  8. The young Duke Chronicle writer only shows her naivete and limited social knowledge, so is more to be pitied than pilloried. It's like going naked into a crowded room thinking you're well dressed.

    In addition, she probably doesn't represent a majority of either white or Duke opinion, although both groups have often thought of themselves as "special," and not in the short yellow bus sense. She also illustrates the old saying that you can be intelligent without being educated.

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  9. Excellent analysis, Reverend Carl. A college degree might now permit this single mother to pursue a career that doesn't involve disrobing for paying customers.

    On another note, and in case you don't want to toot your own horn, I loved your guest column Saturday in the N&O's Durham News on preserving what makes Durham Durham. I've seen you in both The Federal and Bean Trader - I'll say 'hi' next time.

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  10. Its days like this that make me regret having earned a master’s degree at Duke University. It has been hard enough having to explain why I never attended a historical black college or University.

    Your people will be truly free when you no longer have to explain.

    Do you feel that NCCU should have and enforce a code of conduct? What, in your opinion, would be grounds for being tossed from NCCU?

    Interesting how you use this one student's column to condemn all Duke students. You are therefore guilty of that about which you complain.

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  11. I must admit to being confused. Crystal Mangum lied and created a situation that was horrific for a number of families. Moreover, NCCU was a hotbed of false accusations and did more than any institution (other than Duke University itself) to perpetuate the Big Lie.

    As for your "shame" of going to Duke, what it seems to me is that you are made to be ashamed that you did well in school. Why is doing well in your studies "acting white," and why should anyone be made to be ashamed of accomplishing something? That I do not understand.

    What Kristin Butler wrote was not nearly as dishonest and damaging as what Crystal Mangum said and did. Furthermore, we now know that the police very early on knew the case was a hoax, but decided to press on, anyway. All of that unlawful behavior was encouraged by students and faculty at NCCU. Yes, I read the incendiary statements by Irving Joyner, who managed to destroy the reputation of NCCU's law school by itself.

    (What kind of law school has faculty members who brag that blacks will ignore exculpatory evidence and vote to convict innocent people?)

    Kristin Butler is angry at what happened, but it seems to me that most of Durham does not care that its police officers manufactured evidence, lied in the grand jury room, hid exculpatory evidence, and broke the law in other ways. In fact, such unlawful behavior was encouraged.

    I'm simply not in the same mindset as you. You despise people of other races and are anxious to have people wrongfully convicted. Actually, that mindset would work well both at Duke and NCCU.

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  12. I don't think the MBA program at Duke should be taken serious after the "CHEATING SCANDAL."
    http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/content/apr2007/bs20070430_110466.htm
    or
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/01/us/01duke.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

    The Duke student's idea of privilege made them beleive it was, ethically, OK to cheat.

    They lied to get their degrees and tarnished the reputation of the Fuqua School of Business -MBA school and the University.

    Where is her outrage for those 30 odd students who did duke wrong?
    -nicky in durham

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  13. Butler's editorial was hard for me to take, for pretty much the reasons you give--two NCCU students came to her attention because of the wrong they've done to folks at Duke, and from that she's got the whole school pegged. The title alone is irritating (Butler may not be to blame for that).

    But it's hard not to wonder what's going on with this degree, isn't it? Knowingly making a false felony accusation is a felony for a good reason--it's terribly destructive. It's easy to get fixated on the drama of poor black woman vs. rich white men (adding adjectives to taste) but the damage spreads to women who have been raped and those who will be in the future, and to communities and institutions. And though I'll never see the lacrosse players as martyrs, I wouldn't wish their ordeal on anybody. Mangum wasn't held legally responsible for any of that, and yet she's just been awarded a degree in police psychology. It's hard to reconcile. I'm not saying that the degree should have been withheld, or that it shouldn't have been--I don't know. It just seems like a situation that calls for some reflection--something more than "she earned the credits, so here's the diploma." I'm not sure who could speak to this--someone at NCCU, I guess, or a journalist--and how it could be approached. Ideally it's a chance to shed some light on the school--it's mission, it's challenges, etc. Not to mention what people with a degree in police psychology are being trained to do.

    That's what bothers me most about Butler's piece. There's no insight into NCCU as an institution because she seems to have had no interest in the place beyond her peeve of the moment. But I've been writing about the lacrosse case for a while and that's the general rule--things touched by the controversy are inevitably cut down to whatever's useful to make a point or nurse a grudge or further a cause.

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  14. nicky in durham seems to be confused.

    Duke discovered cheating students violating the honor code and upheld that honor code by tossing them. This is exactly what Butler is complaining NCCU did not do with Mangum.

    As a side note, the majority of the cheaters were international students from China who apparently were making the argument that because of cultural differences they didn't understand that collaborating on a take home was violating the honor code.

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  15. TWO WORDS!
    WELL SAID....
    Well, a little more than two words. I just submitted a guest column there myself on this same topic and I am shocked at the venomous right wing climate there. Professionally and in my own opinion, there should be some type of accountability-- at the very least the paper should print a retraction, with all deliberate speed.

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  16. I must admit to being confused. Crystal Mangum lied and created a situation that was horrific for a number of families. Moreover, NCCU was a hotbed of false accusations and did more than any institution (other than Duke University itself) to perpetuate the Big Lie.

    As for your "shame" of going to Duke, what it seems to me is that you are made to be ashamed that you did well in school. Why is doing well in your studies "acting white," and why should anyone be made to be ashamed of accomplishing something? That I do not understand.

    What Kristin Butler wrote was not nearly as dishonest and damaging as what Crystal Mangum said and did. Furthermore, we now know that the police very early on knew the case was a hoax, but decided to press on, anyway. All of that unlawful behavior was encouraged by students and faculty at NCCU. Yes, I read the incendiary statements by Irving Joyner, who managed to destroy the reputation of NCCU's law school by itself.

    (What kind of law school has faculty members who brag that blacks will ignore exculpatory evidence and vote to convict innocent people?)

    Kristin Butler is angry at what happened, but it seems to me that most of Durham does not care that its police officers manufactured evidence, lied in the grand jury room, hid exculpatory evidence, and broke the law in other ways. In fact, such unlawful behavior was encouraged.

    I'm simply not in the same mindset as you. You despise people of other races and are anxious to have people wrongfully convicted. Actually, that mindset would work well both at Duke and NCCU.


    I have several problems with this comment that I believe I should comment on.

    It's clear that you're not in the same mindset because you're missing the ENTIRE point of this guy's post. Regardless of "who said what" and "who did what", that doesn't give someone the right to such a broad statement.

    To comment on what you said about Rev. Kennedy's shame, you're missing that point as well.

    He didn't say that he got weird looks from people that had a problem with him going to "college" in general. He said people had problems with him going to Duke as opposed to going to an HBCU. He could of "accomplished something" by going to NCCU as well. It's not only an accomplishment worth of praise because he went to Duke. That right there is why people of color turn their nose up towards Duke students. That statement right there sounds like you're on this high horse and you've lived a life that could challenge even Christ's life.

    At any rate, if Kristin's angry at certain people, direct the column towards those people in question, not everyone associated with the people in question.

    And from people that have had to work for what they have(basically people that aren't "priviledged" or spoiled, they see that column as childish, arrogant, and single-minded.

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  17. And from people that have had to work for what they have(basically people that aren't "priviledged" or spoiled, they see that column as childish, arrogant, and single-minded.

    Please recite for us Kristen's life circumstances as you know them. What? You have no idea do you? Plenty of Duke students come from modest circumstances.

    You've just committed the sin you condemn. You've stereotyped all Duke students as "priviledged" [sic} or spoiled or not working for what they have.

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  18. The problem with Butler’s column is the double standard lurking in each word. It’s okay to get drunk, use a few racial slurs, urinate in your neighbor’s yard, consistently violate campus policies on off campus drinking and still attend class and get that degree if you attend school at Duke.



    The problem with Kenney's post is the double standard lurking in every word. It's ok to be a prostitute (that's illegal since you seem to have forgotten), try to extort money on a racial basis ("I'm going to get paid by the white boys"), spend a year lying trying to get three innocent men thrown in jail for 30 years, be an apparent alcoholic who tries to run down a cop after a two-county drunk driving spree with a BAC of 0.20, be a serious druggie who lies to doctors to get the meds to support your habit, and turn your school, city and state upside down at great cost, and still attend class and get that degree if you attend school at NCCU.

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  19. I have always Liked Carl's thought process and writing back when he wrote for the scum paper HS.

    However, I am dismayed at the mental bending that some can still perform to prop up the lying prostitute that was the catalyst for exposing the racial and class hatred that some on the far left and in the black community hold. It would show more creditability and less bigotry if folks would just admit that sometimes you have to side with what is right even though you may hate the people, the LAX players, that have shown you what is right.

    Do not think for a minute that if the race roles and schools were reversed that the people condemning Butler (Think god someone in the white Duke community finally had the balls to speak the truth) would be singing her praises. Hell if the roles were reversed the white lying prostitute would never have graduated and would be sitting in jail.

    And to compare underage drinking to the trying to kill a cop, prostitution, neglect of her children and false rape allegations that nearly destroyed GOOD young mens lives just shows how warped some are with their biased hatred toward white males.

    TrinityRez

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  20. What does it say about NCCU when a drunk drug addict lying prostitute can graduate? It says that the academic standards are far, I mean far, below Duke's.

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  21. Also, I wanted to add, how did the lynch mob forum held at NCCU help Duke/NCCU relations?

    How did the article written in the Echo alluding to lynch style revenge help?

    How did the NCCU's law professor's total disregard for the facts and the law when following the case help?

    How did the NCNAACP's complete philosophical 180 regarding defendants rights and completely false information posted on their website help?

    I mean the list can go on. Just like with anything else in todays society it is the white people that are held to a different standard.

    Bigotry but of another color.

    Trinity Rez

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  22. "I will never again take a Duke degree seriously, and neither should any other self-respecting person.... " The columnist's words twisted slightly to become HILARIOUS. I used to work in Duke student life and as such know of MANY duke students who lied, cheated on exams, broke Duke rules, and still got degrees. Mostly because their daddies called and got it all straightened out. And so the columnist has done me a HUGE favor: reminded me never to take a Duke "seal of approval" seriously again - because she's right, it's too hard to tell the few lying, cheating, over-priveleged bigots apart from the majority of hard-working clear thinking students there.

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  23. Instead of wasting most of the beginning of your post feeling sorry for yourself, perhaps you should have dealt with Ms. Butler's arguments head on.

    Should NCCU have disciplined Crystal Mangum for her actions during the Duke hoax?

    If NCCU did this for one of the most infamous law-breakers in recent memory, what have they done about other, more discrete, law-breakers?

    Can NCCU be trusted to enforce its own Student Code of Conduct?

    Before forgiveness, shouldn't there be contrition?

    What role did NCCU play in the Duke Hoax?

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  25. The Blaqueman said...
    Professionally and in my own opinion, there should be some type of accountability-- at the very least the paper should print a retraction, with all deliberate speed.

    May 29, 2008 12:30 PM

    Accountability....I believe that is what this is all about. Why should there be accountability on the part of Kristin Butler but not on the part of Crystal Mangum? Why should there be an apology on the part of Ms Butler but not on the part of Ms Mangum? As for grouping the school in with 2 bad cases, lets look at another alumnus, one Chan Hall. He wanted to see them tried, evidence or not, it would be justice for things that happened in the past. There are more students from NCCU who wanted similar "justice" as well. And the good Irving Joyner who bent over backwards to prop up a case for Mike Nifong and in doing so caused untold harm to the NCCU law school. Do I begrudge her the degree she got, no. But based on the evidence, an anoying little problem, it appears mor as a gift then something she earned.

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  26. Wow! Anonymous! June 9th, your vocabulary is so vast. And you my dear are exactly why we will never be OK.

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  27. Wow, Anonmymous. Your vocabulary is so vast! People like you are exactly why we will never move past things like this. You are not interested in dialogue but rather, tearing people down. It is a sad attempt at tearing someone down.......that word doesn't even sting anymore because most black people know who they are.

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  28. Jazzcomic, You got it all wrong about yourself! You see, us white people knows more about black people than black people knows about themselves!

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  29. "whiteman," Maybe you should know more about an english lesson. That's what I "knows."

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  30. jazzcomic, go read an English Textbook, if you can read!
    Whiteboy

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  31. "Burnette should be punished because HE ROBBED TWO DUKE STUDENTS. The nerve of him to think he can get away with that, and assume a normal life. The administration at NCCU should punish him for making that assumption. Can you hear the underlying white privilege yet?"

    This quote terrifies me. Do you believe that people shouldn't be held accountable for their actions? That schools aren't responsible for the behavior of their students? For all of the baseless comments people have made about Duke parents getting their children out of trouble, Duke does believe that actions have consequences and that breaking the rules leads to punishment. I wish NCCU felt the same way.

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